Are the Sith Admirable?

Here is a conversation I had recently on Facebook with a friend.  It was a lot of fun, and I hope you find some benefit in it.  These Sith lovers, sheesh. 

Darth Jersey:  The Sith Empire has a lot of good to it.
1. Structure
2. Discipline
3. The ability to feel.
4. Jedi deny human emotion and the ability to love.
5.Respect for Authority
6.All teachings out of Sith Teachings are anathema
7. There is a judgment day for those who are loyal and unloyal.
8. Love of Empire above all else.
9. Master/Apprentice relationship. One must learn while finding his/her own path. The ways of the teacher at times are always not correct, so the student must come to realization on his own to become his master and to excel beyond.

Darth Father:  This misses compassion. And you can't judge the Jedi by the broken state they were in towards the end of the Old Republic era. You forgot to mention that Sith are selfish and power hungry, caring very little for the least beings on the Outer Rim worlds.

Darth Jersey:  Darth Vader was caring and found salvation through his Son.

Darth Father:  And through the evidence of his Force ghost, we know that he returned to the light, thereby re-embracing his Jedi past. The Living Force, as Qui-Gon taught to Yoda through his meditations, is the true path that Jedi should have been on. Vader did not achieve salvation, but rather Anakin sloughed off his Sith persona and became the good man he was in the beginning. As a Sith, this was impossible for him.

Darth Jersey:  It was caring too much that drove him to the dark side. The Jedi told him to forget about the death of his mother and that it was nothing. Then the death of betrayal by those he loved who were Jedi. He could not be apathetic like the Jedi.

Darth Jersey:  Darth Revan followed both paths. He was neither Jedi or Sith. As a Jedi he perfected what was lacking from the Sith. As Sith he perfected that which was lost to the Jedi. He walked the Middle Path choosing neither Sith nor Jedi. But his belief was the mastery of the Force. That both sides were necessary to completion of full power.

Darth Father:  What you still miss, dear padawan, is that the Jedi order in the time of Palpatine, had forgotten some of its basic tenets - and this was the doing of the infiltration of the same dark side teachings that you are here espousing. They were degraded into being rule followers - though this was not so for the entirety of the Jedi history. Indeed, Anakin cared too much, as you said. He was not a master of his emotions, but a slave to emotionalism. Guess what? The Sith encouraged that, and through their encouragement, he himself destroyed all that he loved.

Darth Father:  Revelation3.16.

Darth Jersey:  I never thought that way.

Darth Father:  Not both sides are necessary, but the Force, which exists in a dualistic universe, requires balance.

Darth Jersey:  You are awesome. A priest who knows Star Wars.

Darth Jersey:  I have learned from the Master.

Darth Jersey:  I am willing to learn more if you can spare. I would like to know your philosophy and the flaws of the Jedi Republic.

Darth Father:  First, be careful with your words. There is no such thing as the Jedi Republic, they were merely peacekeepers for over a thousand generations.

Darth Jersey:  I meant the Galactic Republic, though Emperor Palpatine blamed the Jedi for the problems of the Galactic Republic and the lack of their usefulness to become rational for Galactic empire.

Darth Father:  So, you are OK with such blatant manipulation, as Sidious perpetrated it? Sith is a system built on lies.

Darth Jersey:  The Sith may have built their empires on lies, so did the Galactic Republic at times they held the truth from their own peoples and allies. That is why I cannot judge the Sith harshly.

Darth Jersey:  I love the Sith because they act human. I would rather love a faulty person, than someone who is perfect. The Sith need more love. It is to me like showing compassion.

Darth Jersey:  If a Sith Lord was real and walked into church, I would show infinite compassion to him, know that he can feel and understand emotions and let that overwhelm. him.

Darth Father:  And he would act the same way to you, but with complete duplicity.

Darth Jersey:  At least the Sith recognizes, even if he refuses that I am using a passion that he refuses.

Darth Jersey:  A Jedi would say: show Justice that is unbiased towards him that show neither mercy or compassion, but is sterile in humanity.

Darth Jersey:  A Jedi would be opposite of how Jesus would behave. He felt anger and rage at the temple and overturned the money changing tables. He cried at Lazarus's death. He felt the pain and anguish of the peoples. He was full of love. His form of justice was opposite against the sterile Jedi form of justice. He showered love and compassion in one hand and struck down a fig tree with his wrath to show what happens to those who fail to produce fruit. An icon shows this. [Darth Jersey is here talking about the Sinai Icon of Christ, which, on one side of the face, shows a happy and compassionate Christ, and on the other side a face that is ready to pronounce judgment]. 

The happy and wrathful faces of Jesus. With his happy face the splendor of mercy and grace. The opposite side the wrath of God for those who deny him.

Darth Father:  Not sure about that.

Darth Jersey:  I thought Jedi were not supposed to show emotions.

Darth Jersey:  They were trained to keep clear heads. In SWTOR, in a JediKnight quest, the saying was that emotions cloud judgment and rational thinking.

Darth Father:  The church teaches the same thing about emotionalism, when it becomes a passion in and of itself, with its own rewards and consequences. What the Jedi are against is the consuming fire of emotionalism - and over time, this became the destruction of the empathy. But that is not the intention. Emotions are something to be controlled, and not to control us.

Darth Father:  As seen on Wookiepedia:  The Jedi Code: Several versions of the mantra exist, though the original version was:
Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force.

The refined version, and perhaps the best known:
There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
(There is no chaos, there is harmony.)(*)
There is no death, there is the Force.
—The Jedi Code (Based on the meditations of Odan-Urr)

Another version of the code during 32 BBY read as follows:
Jedi are the guardians of peace in the galaxy.
Jedi use their powers to defend and protect, never to attack others.
Jedi respect all life, in any form.
Jedi serve others, rather than rule over them, for the good of the galaxy.
Jedi seek to improve themselves through knowledge and training.

Grand Master Luke Skywalker modified this code slightly upon reestablishing the Jedi Order in the Galaxy:
Jedi are the guardians of peace in the galaxy.
Jedi use their powers to defend and to protect.
Jedi respect all life, in any form.
Jedi serve others rather than ruling over them, for the good of the galaxy.
Jedi seek to improve themselves through knowledge and training.

Darth Jersey:  I see and understand now. I thought it was just the denial of all emotions.

Darth Jersey:  So Jedi based on the last version are more like Orthodox Priests and Monks. The Jedi Master is equivocal to a Bishop.

Darth Jersey:  You can now call Me Jedi Padawan.

Darth Jersey:  Wow you have just blown my mind.

Darth Jersey:  There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.....

Darth Father:  And as for the church in the real world, check out this article on the passions. It is truly something that muddies our lives, as the world presents it to us. 

Darth Jersey:  Father, you don't know what good you have done for me.

Darth Father:  And we have to continually work at it. Metropolitan Anthony Bloom said towards the end of his pious life that he was just then learning how to pray.

Darth Father:  Thank God, from whom all blessing flow

Darth Jersey:  You are so right. Sometime I feel unworthy to pray.

Darth Jersey:  I question myself, who am I to open my mouth to God and say something.

Darth Father:  His son. One He loves just as much as He loves His own Son.

Darth Jersey:  I have never thought of myself as God's Child I saw myself as unworthy and only to be called His servant. Like, why me?

Darth Father:  Because He created you. You are His creature. Worthiness is not the question. The creature is never equal to or greater than the created. He loves you - that makes the first question obsolete. Because you are born, He loves you. You were born, right?

Darth Jersey:  Yes Father.

Darth Jersey:  But when God uses me to do good in the church. I still feel inadequate. Even when people say I do good, I pray that I do better next time. I always feel I do horrible.

Darth Father:  Despair not!

Darth Jersey:  A priest told me not to be hard on myself. But I was taught not to judge others and look at others what they do and point out their faults. So I always point out mine so I am so distracted away from others.